What is the difference between the Australian Labradoodle and the American Labradoodle?

What is the difference between the Australian Labradoodle and the American Labradoodle?

Australian labradoodle



So what is the difference between a Labradoodle and an Australian Labradoodle?

Australian Multi-Gen Labradoodle

There’s actually a huge difference between the Labradoodle and the Australian Labradoodle,  totally different breeds. What’s known as the American or Multigen Labradoodle only has Lab and Poodle genetics in the mix (or multiple generations of Labradoodle to Labradoodle breedings) while the Australian Labradoodle… also includes Lab and Poodle but also includes several other breeds in it’s history and exactly which ones still seems to be somewhat different depending on which bloodline your talking about as well as who you talk too.. I think you will find it’s all pretty confusing (at least to me) but I will try to explain the best I can….

According to the Australian Labradoodle registrars and clubs of today,  the Australian Labradoodle is ONLY a mix between the Labrador Retriever, Poodle and Cocker Spaniel.

But that’s absolutely not how it started out.. so I find it all very strange they’ve chosen to leave out all the other infusion breeds used in the development of the original Australian Labradoodle. 

 FALL DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE… 

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Beverly Manners of Rutland Manner/Tegan Park and her daughter Angela in Australia are the originators of The Original Australian Labradoodle.

In the late 1980’s, Tegan Park and Rutland Manor, the two founders of the Australian Labradoodle, began infusing several breeds into early generations of their Lab/Poodle crosses, to improve temperament, coat, conformation, and size. 

Bev Manner has now renamed her Australian Labradoodle to the “Australian Cobberdog” which in 2012 Australia now considers a “breed in development”. She claims she renamed her breed in order to get away from all the confusion and titles like “Authentic, Multigen” etc. and the fact breeders were getting away from her original breed development protocol. 

ALD - Australian Labradoodle

ALD – Australian Labradoodle

There are three different types of Labradoodles currently being bred, the Australian Labradoodle bred in Australia that have come directly from Tegan Park and Rutland Manor breeding stock, or their offspring and includes multiple breeds, the Australian Labradoodle bred in the USA (Lab/Poodle/Cocker Spaniel) and the American or Multigen Labradoodle (Poodle/Lab Only In the Cross).

Tegan Park and Rutland Manor took the Labradoodle a few steps further (past the Lab and Poodle mix) by infusing 4 more breeds into the cross.

In 1997 the very first Australian Labradoodle Breed Standard was written which reflected these goals. The Australian Labradoodle originally consisted of 6 different breeds in its origin.

However, according to the Australian Labradoodle Association of America most of these infusion breeds have been bred out of the “breed” besides the cocker spaniel, lab and poodle. 

But it is VERY hard to find any data or even a solid history written anywhere about how or when this was done.

The Original and Confirmed Parent Breeds of the Australian Labradoodle were:

  1. Poodle (Standard, Miniature, Toy)

  2. Labrador Retriever

  3. Irish Water Spaniel

  4. Curly Coat Retriever

  5. American Cocker Spaniel

  6. English Cocker Spaniel

HOWEVER… I’ve also read about infusions of the Irish Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier and the Portuguese Water Dog…. There has been a ton of different claims on the internet from different breeders and even ALD registries about the exact breeds used in the “authentic” Australian Labradoodle dog .. nowadays it seems ALD breeders rarely ever mention the exact infusion breeds.. its also very possible some ALD breeders don’t even know the true history of their breed because unless you were following along at the time,  its all VERY hard to find online nowadays. 

It’s tough to find an ALD breeder website today that has a written history of the Australian Labradoodle which the originator Beverley Manners now calls the “Cobberdog” in an attempt to separate herself and her bloodline from all the other ALD breeders and registries who have gone away from her “breed development program”.

I have read over the years so many different versions of the story and which dogs were used in the original infusions. I can not say for sure what the truth is and I don’t believe anyone honestly can.. except for Beverley Manners herself and her daughter Angela the co-founder and they’ve completely abandoned the ALD community and the Australian Labradoodle name.

The Tegan Park, Rutland Manor and Beverley Manners story in itself is SO full of confusion, wars and rumors of war.. scandal and family strife there is no telling truth from lies anymore.. there have been allegations from all sides from questionable pedigrees to straight up fake pedigrees.

As well as allegations of Beverly’s horrid puppy mill like conditions and animal abuse as well as dog theft disguised as rescue. While some still have great respect for Beverly as the originator of the Australian Labradoodle.. It’s all so confusing and full of rumors that I can’t even say what’s true anymore,  after years of following the story myself.  All I can do is present what I’ve personally found and read from both sides of the fence over the years.

Here is a GREAT example of the crazy and confusing information in regards to the history of Australian Labradoodle….

Just as a cake is not complete without all of its ingredients, the Australian Labradoodle is not complete without the Irish Soft Coated Wheaten infusion.”
Beverley Manners 2011 (the creator of the Australian Labradoodle)

Then this…Taken directly off the Australian Labradoodle Club of America….

As such, ALCA Certifies only the Original Australian Labradoodle, allowing only one Poodle infusion within three generations and does not allow any Wheaton Terrier infusion nor recognize any name other than Australian Labradoodle.” ALCA

And the ALCA website only mentions two of the infusion breeds!? The following quote is taken off their website page titled “About: What is in an original Australian Labradoodle” 

The infused breeds include Irish Water Spaniel as well as the American and English Cocker Spaniel.  The resulting labradoodles subsequently have been bred to each other, continuing the multi-generational tradition.”

Did they forget about the rest of the breeds? That can’t be an accurate history right? Now you see my confusion here?

Then they go on to say….. “Even when the other types of Labradoodles are bred on for generations, the result is not an Australian Labradoodle, as the attributes of the infused breeds were not included in their ancestry“.

So, does that include the other infusions Beverly Manners “the originator of the breed” has already confirmed to have used in the development of the original breed and her breeding dogs?

That is the thing that drives me so mad is that the above quote is coming from breeders who have Rutland Manor dogs in their breeding programs but they can just fail to mention or just flat out ignore the other infusion breeds?!

Beverly Manners said the ALD was not a true ALD without the Wheaton. No wonder she renamed her dogs “Cobberdogs” and left the scene.

There’s also an anti Rutland Manor website that was published years ago but is still alive and well called http://stoprutlandmanor.wordpress.com/ 

Then her website which has in very recent years tried to clear up some of the confusion http://www.rutlandmanor.com/

And then on the flip side of the coin read this http://www.stoprutlandmanor-farmsofshame.com/extraordinary-contradictions.html where they try to exonerate Beverly Manners with a cleaver website name…. notice it is very similar to the hate site name. Haha! Love it.

On this link she appears to be exonerated of some of the allegations and it is 100% possible that all of it has been a huge DRAMA created by greed and I have to admit .. I do feel sorry for Beverly… because nothing can take away these past years of gossip and rumors on her name.

All I can say is do your research if you interested and then Make up your own mind…but make sure to take it all in not just one side or the other.

The Australian Labradoodle Infusion Breeds

(I have read over the years and directly from the founder these are the true infusion breeds and then again like you have already witnessed above some have been left out of their history all together)

As of January 1, 2011, the ALCA announced they will no longer allow for new registration of infusions of any foundation breeds, including the Poodle. 

The ALLA (The Australian Labradoodle Association of America) says on their website: “Most often the English Cocker Spaniel and American Cocker Spaniel were the breeds used, however, it is reported that a few other dog breeds were also introduced into certain lines. DNA evidence of these dog breeds are still found in a few lines today, while others were bred out and not re-introduced into any other blood lines.

Seems to me breeding out the infusion of all these different breeds would take generations and generations of careful DNA testing, data collection and selective breeding and why would that be so important if the original ALD was so awesome to begin with?

Where is all this data anyway? Why isn’t there a full disclosure and fact based written history of this so called pure breed in the making?)

Here are the breeds I have read were used in the “original” and “authentic” Australian Labradoodle and these are not breeds I pulled out of a hat.. this info was taken from their own websites over the years.

At least someone is paying attention (Me I guess) and I must say they have me completely annoyed at this point. Can you tell? I mean I like the ALD and I think some of them are very pretty but I also like FACTS and I see a lack of a true and honest history and data about this “authentic” breeds REAL history.

I actually challenge you to find the infusion history of the original “Australian Labradoodle” online today. 

THE ORIGINAL AUSTRALIAN LABRADOODLE INFUSION BREEDS

 

Standard Poodle

Standard Poodle

 

Labrador Retriever

Labrador Retriever

 

irish water springer

Irish Water Springer (no longer allowed)

 

Curly Coated Retriever

Curly Coated Retriever

 

American Cocker Spaniel

American Cocker Spaniel

  

American Cocker Spaniel

American Cocker Spaniel

 

Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier

Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier (no longer allowed) 

 

Cockapoo: American Cocker Spaniel or English Cocker Spaniel and Poodle

Cockapoo: American Cocker Spaniel or English Cocker Spaniel and Poodle

   
   

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE AUTHENTIC AUSTRALIAN LABRADOODLE?

The Australian Labradoodle is a victim of conflicting and damaging paths taken by numerous pedigree registries which broke off mainstream into split groups often run by either inexperienced breeders, or people with self serving agendas. These split groups quickly sprang up across the world, in response to the developing breed’s popularity. Each registry still runs with its own differing set of rules, policies and selection criteria, which has in turn created divides in many different directions for the base gene pool and reduced the Australian Labradoodle from a promising new breed, to a cross breed which is no longer consistent in its behaviors and character traits.  In fact since the nineties, traditional kennel clubs which had been watching these developments,put into place international agreements that no new breed would ever be accepted if it carried the word ‘Labradoodle’ in its name.” –
Taken from the Australian Cobberdog Parent Club Website:
 
ALD Puppies

ALD Puppies

The Australian Labradoodle Size:

  • Standard: Height – 22-24 inches (53-60 cm.)
  • Standard: Weight – Female – 45-60 pounds (20-27 kg.)  Male – 55-77 pounds (25-35 kg.)
  • Miniature: Height – 17-22 inches (44-56 cm.)
  • Miniature: Weight – 30-50 pounds (14-25 kg) Males being the larger.

OK,  NOW ABOUT THE MULTIGEN OR AMERICAN LABRADOODLE

F1 Labradoodle

F1 Labradoodle

FIRST-GENERATION Labradoodle

A first generation hybrid Labradoodle is the product of a Labrador Retriever and a Poodle.  The term ‘Labradoodle’ was coined by Wally Conron of the Australian Guide Dog Association, when he first bred these hybrids as allergy friendly service dogs.  The AGDA still uses first generation Labradoodles upon demand to this day.

As first generation hybrids, these dogs have the added health benefits associated to Hybrid Vigour.  This is a phenomenon in animal breeding referring to the fact that the first cross between two unrelated purebred lines is healthier and grows better than either parent line.

  • Coat Maintenance: Low care
  • Coat Description: Coat grows to about 2-3 inches in length and requires occasional combing.  Coats are often hair coats, and others can have wavy or curly coats.
  • Shedding: light to nonshed (see the stats in the Dood Database)
  • Allergy Friendliness: usually successful in families with mild allergies.  When a family has moderate to severe allergies, a backcross Dood is recommended.
F1b Labradoodles - Dreamydoodle Puppies

F1b Labradoodles – Dreamydoodle Puppies

Lollipop - F1B Labradoodle

Miss Lollipop – F1B Labradoodle – One of our retired Moms

FIRST GENERATION BACKCROSS – F1B Labradoodle

A backcross pup is the result of a hybrid bred back to one of its breeds of origin.   From a genetic standpoint a backcross pup is a first generation cross.  As breeders are breeding towards non-shedding and allergy friendliness, a backcross Labradoodle is generally the product of a Labradoodle bred to a Poodle. The resulting dog is, on average, 1/4 Labrador Retriever and 3/4 Poodle called the F1B Labradoodle.

Although there is less vigour in this crossing than in the original hybrid,  the first generation backcross still is close enough in the breeding tree to benefit from hybrid vigour.  With each successive generation vigour is lost and has far less instance of shedding.

F2 Labradoodle

F2 Labradoodle – Flat Coated

 

SECOND GENERATION: F2 Labradoodle

A second generation Labradoodle is the result of a F1 Labradoodle bred to a F1 Labradoodle – and there are very few of these actually bred as the second generation hybrid is genetically the most varied generation possible. Not recommended.

  • Coat Maintenance: varies on the coat type
  • Coat Description: The coat can be a hair coat, wavy coat, or curly coat.
  • Shedding: varies greatly from shedders to nonshedders
  • Allergy Friendliness: not recommended for families with allergies, due to the varying coat types.

 

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Multigen Labradoodle – Dreamydoodles Bella

MULTI-GENERATION Labradoodle

Technically a multigeneration Labradoodle should be the result of 3 or more generations of Labradoodle to Labradoodle breeding, but in practice backcrosses and poodles are also used in the early generations.

Baby Boy - Cream Multigen Labradoodle

Baby Boy – Cream Multigen Labradoodle

When multi generation Labradoodles were first introduced to North American breeders, they were given this Lab-Poodle breeding program as the breeding model for Labradoodles, which suggested that Poodles could be reintroduced into the early generations:

Original multigeneration program

Result

Poodle X Lab = F1 Labradoodle

F1 X F1 or F1 X Poodle = F2

F2 X F2 or F2 X Poodle = F3

F3 X F3 or F3 X A1,A2,A3,Poodle = A1

A1 X A1 or A1 X A2,A3 or pure = A2

A2 X A2 or A2 X A3 or Pure = A3

A3 x A3 = Pure

F1

F2 or F1(to Poodle)

F3 or F1(to Poodle)

F1(to Poodle) – Mostly

Non-shed

Mostly Non-shed

Mostly Non-shed

Mostly Non-shed

Labradoodle F1: the first cross of a purebred Labrador Retriever to a purebred Poodle
Labradoodle F1B: the backcross of a first cross (Labradoodle F1) to a purebred Poodle
Multigenerational Labradoodle (Multigen): The offspring of a Labradoodle (F1B, F1, or Multigen) bred to a Labradoodle (F1B, F1, or Multigen)
Purebred Multigenerational Labradoodle (Multigen) OR Purebred Labradoodle: The offspring of 5 or more consecutive breedings of a Multigen Labradoodle (or Purebred Labradoodle) to a Multigen Labradoodle (or Purebred Labradoodle)

Cloudcatcher Labradoodles

Australian Labradoodle:

Should be originally either Second Generation Labradoodle or higher generation bred to an Australian Labradoodle OR Australian Labradoodle to Australian Labradoodle through generations, sometimes called Multigen or Multigenerational OR somehow a mixture of Poodle, Cocker Spaniel (American or English), and Labrador Retriever.

Coat texture is either silky fleece (preferred) or soft spiraling wool and sometimes you can get variations on the wave from straight to curly. The goal is to achieve the true Australian Labradoodle look, temperament, coat and conformation. True to the Australian Labradoodle standard in physical appearance, and pedigree, consistently non-shedding fleece sheepdog like coat, dander free.

Australian Labradoodle Generations (in short)

Australian Labradoodle Generations explained according to the ALAA terms.

  • Australian Labradoodle: Dogs with Poodle, Cocker Spaniel (American and/or English) and Labrador Retriever Pedigrees.* This includes all currently registered Australian Labradoodles, as the
  • Multigenerational Australian Labradoodle (Multigen): The offspring of an Australian Labradoodle (Australian Labradoodle, Multigen or Purebred) bred to an Australian Labradoodle (Australian Labradoodle, Multigen or Purebred) Purebred Multigenerational Australian Labradoodle (Multigen) OR Purebred Australian Labradoodle: The offspring of 5 or more consecutive breeding’s of a Multigen Australian Labradoodle (or Purebred Australian

I got this infusion breed list below from a 2008 document on the ALAA website (yes the same website that now mentions to very few of these infusion breeds)

http://alaa-labradoodles.com/uploads/GradingSchemeMarch2008.pdf

Infusion Breed List for the Australian Labradoodle:

  • Cockapoo: American Cocker Spaniel or English Cocker Spaniel and Poodle
  • Spanador: English or American Cocker Spaniel and Labrador Retriever
  • American Cocker Spaniel: purebred American Cocker Spaniel
  • English Cocker Spaniel: purebred English Cocker Spaniel
  • Irish Water Spaniel: purebred American Irish Water Spaniel (no longer allowed)
  • Labrador Retriever: American or English, pedigree will delineate
  • Poodle: French, English and all sizes, colors or patterns, pedigree will delineate

Breeding Rules for the Australian Labradoodle:

Purebred Poodle is to be used for the F1 and F1B stages of development and in the future can be used for coat correction twice thereafter every 6 generations in the Multigenerational Labradoodle Development. Analysis of the pedigree will indicate the number of mating’s with a purebred.

  • Poodle bred to Labrador Retriever equals a Labradoodle F1
  • Poodle bred to a Labradoodle F1 equals a Labradoodle F1B
  • Labradoodle or Multigen Labradoodle or Purebred Labradoodle bred to Poodle equals Labradoodle. Analysis of the pedigree will indicate the number of matings with a poodle, restrictions apply.
  • Australian Labradoodle or Multigen Australian Labradoodle or Purebred Australian Labradoodle bred to Poodle equals Australian Labradoodle.

This breeding program allows breeding to poodles for the first four generations – which is why in some older lines of multigen dogs, ‘there is a lot of poodle in the doodle’.  They make shedding lines more non shed, and they allow the introduction of some popular new colors such as red and parti.  Good breeders are selective about adding only a modest amount of poodle in the early generations.

Sources:

Both Sides of the Rutland Manor Drama:

The Gossip and Allegations

The Counterargument

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